oh yer i forgot about the ss decay that you mentioned....i worked in a marina in canada for a year,back in 99...i seen it in the rigging we replaced,it looked like tooth decay.
hey you know theres a chart/ladder of metals for sacraficial corosion..zink on the bottom gold on top,yer? well did you know carbon fiber is in there?dont forget to check the compatability between metals in the bolts/bolt coating,fitting/anodising and carbon fiber.
if i remeber right you want them to be close on the chart....not disimeler metals...maybe thats why marsk used ss????
russ
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Philip Lardner <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.> wrote:
Hi Russ,
I figure the vast majority of my flying will be based at the local sailplane club and tow launched, but I'd like to keep the option to foot-launch so that the glider is still catagorised as a Class 4 hang glider (less regulation by our Aviation Authority.) I haven't looked at the fuselage around the bomb-bay doors in detail yet but I suspect the doors do not contribute significantly to the in-flight strength of the fuselage. Still, it shouldn't be difficult to add strength and rigidity to that area if necessary without a weight penalty.
Stainless steel is also susceptible to attack (over time) from the chlorine in sea air(!), resulting in micro-cracking around stress points (bolts and corners). I suspect the alloy used in sail boats is carefully chosen to avoid this... or just over-spec'd. Aluminium is both cheap and easy to machine, and as I'll probably have to buy it in 5m lengths (minimum order quantity) I could afford to treat the metal fittings as consumable items (like hang glider side-wires) and replace them every year or every 100 hours. My brother's engineering works has an X-ray rig for testing high pressure welds in boilers and pipework - I could probably get my old fittings tested occasionally to see how the metal around the bolt holes and root pins is holding up.
Phil.
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Subject: Re: [Carbondragonbuildersandpilots] Re: Wing calculations
hi phil
good thinking with the weight saving on the foot launch door..i wonder if it cross braces the fuse.
the dragon is not practical for foot launch.plan for roll or bungy launch from a hill or better still tow launch in front and at the bottom of your hills will save you driving up the hill and you can land back at your tralor and it will be easier to set up on the flat out of the wind.
im surprized mask used stainless steel for fittings...crane cables are not stainless steel,they are steel.sail boats have stainless steel fittings and hang gliders.
ss superior in term of corosion but not fatigue.
aluminium needs to be over engineered ,to protect it from fatigue.
in cycling cromolly bikes never seem to brake.
in off road cars iv seen them come back from high carbon steel frames to lower carbon/softer frames becaus of craking,also they are painting them with a clear paint so they can spot craking.
russ.
